We propose a novel technique to detect sandbagging in LLMs by adding varying amount of noise to model weights and monitoring performance.
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@misc {
title={
Sandbag Detection through Model Degradation
},
author={
Cam Tice, Philipp Alexander Kreer, Fedor Ryzhenkov, Nathan Helm-Burger, Prithviraj Singh Shahani
},
year={
2024
},
organization={Apart Research},
note={Research submission to the
Deception Detection Hackathon: Preventing AI deception
research sprint hosted by Apart.},
month={
July
},
howpublished={https://apartresearch.com}
}
Esben Kran
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July 8, 2024
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July 8, 2024
David Matolcsi
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July 8, 2024
Bharat
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December 8, 2024
December 8, 2024
Clear and articulate problem with a plausible solution The concepts of data validation, data provenance/ transparent, verifiable data handling all give a very good reason to use blockchain rather than being an ad-hoc addition for novelty value Coluld benefit with detail on how smaller organizations or under-resourced sectors could adopt these measures without excessive cost. Including examples of pilot implementations would also be useful
Esben Kran
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December 6, 2024
December 6, 2024
My impression is that you implemented SAE features in your long-context document editing tool and I think this seems pretty awesome. When it comes to your node-based document iteration engine and its evaluation suite, this also seems very valuable and is probably more relevant when it comes to safety than the features used for content development. You link to the blog posts and I agree that the verification of content in financial documents is very important, though I’ll mention that your submission probably doesn’t score maximum on methodology due to the lack of experiments to validate your method. The safety arguments also aren’t super strong and the submitted project is somewhat adjacent to the topic of the hackathon, though your product seems relevant to ensure accuracy in financial documents. In terms of directing your work towards safety, I suggest you take existing documents and discover errors using various feature-supported evaluators to improve the project (e.g. going for some of the public pitch decks might be a good example). If you can prove that, it’s simply rock’n’roll and I can see some use cases beyond finance as well (though it’s a great place to start a company).
Jason Schreiber
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November 30, 2024
November 30, 2024
This is a creative research idea that deserves more exploration. I would love to see some quantification of the results here!
Mateusz Dziemian
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November 29, 2024
November 29, 2024
The plan and study are heading towards an interesting direction. To further help reduce the SAE features, maybe you could ask the trusted model to pick the words/ tokens that it wants features for and have it filter through features based on queries? Or something along that direction where the trusted model is given more control over the task to reduce the search space.
Liv Gorton
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November 27, 2024
November 27, 2024
This project introduces a framework for steering the model towards representing more diverse perspectives. Focusing more on their contribution rather than describing existing methodology in detail (e.g. Gemma architecture) would make it easier to follow their paper. The authors note that they ran out of time and weren't able to implement their proposal. It'd be great to see them continue this work in the future.
Liv Gorton
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November 27, 2024
November 27, 2024
I really like the direction of applying SAEs to identify hallucinations or uncertainty in model responses. The dataset was well-chosen and the methodology was sound. The plot for figure 1 could be improved by plotting the most impactful features (perhaps with the entire figure, with a figure legend in the appendix). If I'm reading the figure correctly, it appears that nudging the feature positively causes more incorrect answers, even for features that seem related to correctness. It'd be interesting to see a qualitative analysis into what might be happening there!
Liv Gorton
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November 27, 2024
November 27, 2024
This is a really well-presented work that presents a framework/tooling to improve long-form document generation. In future, it would be interesting to see a benchmark on document quality whether steering the LLM towards a specific thing (e.g. to be more technical) deteriorates quality in other ways.
Dhruba Patra
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November 27, 2024
November 27, 2024
This is pretty cool and well thought out!
Liv Gorton
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November 26, 2024
November 27, 2024
This is an interesting project that applies interpretability to understand the bias that exists in LLMs. I liked the result of nudging resulting in a gender neutral pronoun in the top logits rather than just making a gendered pronoun more or less likely. The figures were well-presented and the paper was clearly written. Overall a nice demonstration of how steering could be used! It could be interesting to explore how this holds up to in context pronouns or if there is a set of features that produces the result regardless of the direction of the bias.
Liv Gorton
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November 26, 2024
November 27, 2024
This project attempts to overcome the issue of using LLMs to aid in scaling interpretability. More details on what each function does would make understanding the work easier. It'd be interesting to see if the additional functions in the appendix improve the performance on later layers. It'd also be nice to see if these ideas generalise to other LLMs (could be done with open sourced models with SAEs on all layers like Gemma 2B).
Tom McGrath
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November 26, 2024
November 27, 2024
This is a substantial project that makes good use of the customisation offered by model steering to help users tailor educational content to their preferences. The author got a lot done in the weekend and used steering in a very sensible and effective way. In terms of the writeup it would be useful and interesting to have some visualisations of the site - currently it's a little hard to imagine. I would also focus on what's new and how it leads to better outcomes, rather than focus on the tech stack,
Liv Gorton
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November 26, 2024
November 27, 2024
This is a creative approach to auto-steering and seems like a promising direction! The choice of the tic-tac-toe environment makes a lot of sense given the time constraints (and I’m surprised to see how well it works!) and it’d be interesting to see how this generalises to other tasks.
Tom McGrath
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November 26, 2024
November 27, 2024
This project aims to find alternative ways of interpreting language model features rather than asking another LLM to interpret them. The method proposed is to use the structure of the synthetic data used to train TuringLLM to generate candidate feature labels, either from uni- and bigrams or from topic data extracted from the filenames. These interpretation functions allow the authors to label the majority of features in the earlier layers of the model, but accuracy drops substantially past layer 4 of 12. I would be interested to see examples of unlabeled features in later layers to understand whether they are more abstract features, mostly related to output tokens, or mostly uninterpretable. The presentation of the work could be improved by describing the evaluation process and the motivation behind the choice of functions in more detail. I'm also not sure how this is intended to generalise to more complex features in more powerful models - some insight into this would be valuable.
Tom McGrath
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is an interesting result: the authors look at faithfulness in chain-of-thought reasoning and surprisngly find that single features can substantially alter faithfulness. The methodology is sensible and the experiments are carried out well and well-documented. The relation to safety is subtle but well-justified. In this case the method used (adding mistakes) means that increased faithfulness leads to a decrease in performance. This is a sensible experimental methodology for understanding if features can control faithfulness - a cool result in its own right. In my anecdotal experience in LLM reasoning, incorrect answers typically arise from a lack of faithfulness to an otherwise correct chain of thought. It would be an interesting extension to the paper to see if the features identified in this paper lead to an increase in performance in natural chain of thought reasoning settings.
Tom McGrath
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is a cool idea - getting an agent to edit the internals of another agent to perform the task. As the authors observe, this is pretty difficult (even for frontier models) but as far as I can tell they had some successes. Quantifying these successes/failures can be difficult, especially at a relatively small scale and with time constraints - I'd encourage the authors to report a few transcripts of success & failure so we can get a feel for how well this performs and where steering agents succeeds and fails.
Tom McGrath
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
This project develops a visualisation tool for language model SAE latents. Visualisation is an important and underexplored area in interpretability, so it's cool to see this. The visualisation is a graph, where features are connected to one another if they co-occur sufficiently frequently. The tool is interesting but I'd really like to see some example of the kind of application it might be used in, or an interesting insight (even something very minor) that the authors obtained from using the tool.
Tom McGrath
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
This project aims to develop programmatic methods for interpreting the internals of the Turing LLM. These methods rely on the statistics of the synthetic dataset used to train the base model. The writeup is a bit unclear as to what exactly these methods do, but the examples and function names give a decent picture. Figure 1 is interesting: it appears that topic and uni/bi-gram statistics dominate in the earlier layers, but later layers are relatively poorly explained - what is going on here? Potentially the last couple of layers could be explained by the _next_ token, which would be interesting to see.
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Very cool stab at increasing CoT via steering. I would like to see a fuller investigation of how the faithfulness of the steered CoT compares to prompted CoT.
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Very interesting idea to use prompts for steering! I would like to see how this technique compares to steering directly. I encourage the authors to further study how well this method generalizes.
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Interesting to see the Portuguese feature pop up again after reading https://www.apartresearch.com/project/assessing-language-model-cybersecurity-capabilities-with-feature-steering ! The password setup is an interesting environment to study jailbreaking, and the team finds interesting results. Good work!
Jaime Raldua
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is a useful comparison to see. The combined version seems particularly interesting
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
The author successfully uses steering to decrease "grammatical scope ambiguity." With more time, I'd love to see the author work on quantifying the effect and comparing this approach to baselines like prompting. Good work!
Jaime Raldua
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
SAEs for AI Control sound like an amazing idea! as you point out there seem to be major blockers on the way and also it would have been very useful to see some code and a more clear roadmap of how your next steps would look like if you would have had more time (e.g. a couple of weeks) to continue on this project
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
This team finds some features that activate on GSM8K. They made an interesting decision to compare across languages. With more time, I'd love to see this team investigate why they were unable to improve the performance of the model via steering.
Jaime Raldua
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
The combination of RL and AS looks really promising! Very surprised of seen a 3x improvement, would love to see a longer version of this work
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Good idea to use steering to improve cybersecurity abilities. With more time, I'd like to see more work on whether the Portuguese feature boost generalizes to other datasets. I'm particularly interested in generalization beyond multiple-choice questions. I'd also like to see research on why this feature is relevant to performance in this case. Overall, very cool to find a case where a feature has an effect completely detached from its label. Good work!
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Very cool work on automating steering! Fun and creative. With more time, I'd love to see comparisons with strong baselines.
Jaime Raldua
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Very original idea and promising results!
Jaime Raldua
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Very promising results! on the point 4 it would have been better to emphasize the contribution of your work instead of talking about next steps only
Jaime Raldua
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
Very interesting project! There seems to be much work around bias so a bit more lit.review would have been very useful to see better how your work contributes to the field
Alana Xiang
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November 26, 2024
November 26, 2024
This team develops a reasonable experiment setup and executes it well. Their results point to an interesting possibility, that subtracting the "acknowledging mistakes" feature could lead to higher faithfulness. With more time, a graph I would've liked to see is faithfulness by steering value. I would also be interested in seeing the team explore whether allowing the model to continue the CoT will recover the faithfulness lost by this steering by acknowledging the reasoning error out loud. Good work!
Tom McGrath
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November 25, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is a cool and interesting result - I wonder why turning this feature down improves performance! It's certainly possible that the feature is completely mislabeled; autointerp is far from perfect and sometimes gets very confused. I'd be interested in seeing some qualitative samples of what happens when this feature is steered in various contexts, as well as a steering plot covering WMDP scores at a higher resolution. I worry that there may have been a class imbalance in the data (e.g. more 'A's than 'C's) and steering simply moved the model more towards the overrepresented class.
Tom McGrath
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November 25, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is very well executed and presented research. The comparison of model values vs the human response KDE is interesting, but my favourite plot is figure 2 - it's very surprising how different features have remarkably different trajectories through the moral landscape. It's surprising that most features actually appear to avoid the modal human, and only a single feature actually steers the model in that direction. It's unfortunate that the OUS has so few questions and is so sensitive (e.g. the difference between models being entirely accounted for by question IH2).
Tom McGrath
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November 25, 2024
November 26, 2024
This work covers an important problem and applies a sensible methodology. The performance of the results is impressive - I had to check in the code that the results were in fact on a test set. I'd be interested in seeing how often harmless prompts are misclassified though. Definitely worth extending further - these results are quite promising.
Tom McGrath
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November 25, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is an interesting comparison - the relative merits of prompting and feature steering comes up a lot and it's great to see some very grounded evaluations. The feature steering looks to have been done well, and the qualitative observations are good.
Tom McGrath
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November 25, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is an interesting and imaginative project, and the results are pretty cool. It's impressive to include feature steering inside an RL loop, and I'm quite surprised that it works! The project writeup is clear and well written.
Tom McGrath
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November 25, 2024
November 26, 2024
These findings are cool and somewhat surprising - I didn't realise we can nudge models towards being wrong so easily! I'm having trouble parsing figure 1, however - surely with nudge strength set to zero all features should provide the same outputs, but we see an almost 20% range in percentage correctness between features. Should I conclude that some features can in fact steer the model substantially towards correct answers? If so then that's interesting and I'd highlight it more.
Tom McGrath
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November 25, 2024
November 26, 2024
This is an interesting question, and the results seem promising. The methodology is sound, but I don't understand the reason that the sentences are split across user and assistant tokens. The natural choice in my opinion would be to have a single message, e.g. {"role": "user", "content": "The Chef was not happy with the speed of serving so"} and then evaluate logits from that message. This is a more natural input, and also opens up the question of whether the logits differ if the 'role' field is different - for instance maybe the model expects more biased inputs from users, but responds in an unbiased way.
Shana Douglass
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November 25, 2024
November 25, 2024
This memorandum offers a comprehensive and insightful analysis of the potential risks associated with AI in K-12 education, particularly regarding bias and opaqueness. The proposal's focus on equity and transparency is commendable. The recommendation to leverage Title I and Title IV funding to promote human oversight, AI training, and stakeholder engagement is a practical and effective approach. By aligning these measures with existing federal funding mechanisms, the proposal offers a realistic and scalable solution to mitigate the risks of AI in education. However, a more detailed analysis of the potential costs and funding mechanisms associated with the implementation of these recommendations would further strengthen the proposal.
Alana Xiang
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November 25, 2024
November 25, 2024
This is creative paper which finds a new domain on which SAE features generalize well (across languages in grade school math). The surprising finding that the French steering vectors had a larger impact on English and Russian performance than French performance warrants further inquiry. I think this paper could've significantly improved on novelty if it pursued this direction. Given more time, I would also love to see the authors inspect whether the features they found generalize beyond GSM8K. Good work!
John Doe
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November 25, 2024
November 25, 2024
I love the project because of x, y. and z
Jaye Nias
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November 21, 2024
November 21, 2024
This policy memorandum provides a thoughtful and well-rounded examination of the potential risks associated with bias and opaqueness in intelligent systems used in K–12 education. The concerns about exacerbating inequality are both relevant and timely. The recommendation to incorporate Title I and Title IV financing criteria, which include human oversight, AI training for teachers and students, and open communication with stakeholders, is a strong and practical approach. These measures promote the responsible and transparent use of intelligent systems, while ensuring accountability and taking proactive steps to prevent harm to students. One of the strengths of this memorandum is its clear presentation of the suggested mitigations, thoughtfully considering both their benefits and limitations. While linking these solutions to federal funding mechanisms may not be entirely new, it is a strategy that has historically been effective in driving equity-focused initiatives within education. The proposed approach, therefore, offers a realistic and impactful way to encourage the responsible use of AI in educational settings, with a focus on protecting students’ interests.
Testing 2024-11-15
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November 15, 2024
This is a test
Monica Lopez
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November 3, 2024
October 27, 2024
Jason Schreiber
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August 5, 2024
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
I like the simple operationalization of your research question into GPT2-small. It seems like exploring multiple operationalizations would be useful to elucidate your results, though I personally imagine it's pretty good. Seems like one of those tasks that show that we cannot use our current methods to properly investigate every circuit, unfortunately. Puts a serious limiting factor on our mechanistic interpretability usefulness. Good work!
June Rock
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February 24, 2024
January 4, 2024
This liver health supplement is doing wonders for my energy levels: https://www.socialsurge.ai/recommends/liv-pure/
Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
Interesting work! An extensive range of experiments shows that even relatively easy tasks might not be easy to locate in LLMs. I believe this work sheds a light on how limited our current methodology is and bracketed sequence classification might serve as a good toy-problem task for future development of interpretability methods.
Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
Fascinating project! I liked how many different aspects of the multimode prompt injection problem this work touched on. Analyzing CLIP embeddings seems like a great idea. I'd love to see follow-up work on how many known visual prompt injections can be detected in that way. The gradient corruption also seems worth studying further with an eye toward the risk of transfer to black-box models. Would be wonderful to see whether ideas for defense against attacks can come from the gradient corruption line of thinking as well. Congratulations to the authors for a really inspiring project and write-up!
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
This is a great project and I'm excited to see more visual prompt injection research. It covers the cases we'd like to see in visual prompt injection studies (gradient, hidden, vision tower analysis). It seems like a great first step towards an evals dataset for VPI. Great work!
Tim
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February 24, 2024
October 2, 2023
The main problems named w.r.t formalizing agency as the number of reachable states are very relevant. It is mentioned that not only the number of states is important but it also needs to be considered how desirable these states are and if they are reachable. However,er it seems that the authors consider "number of reachable states" and empowerment as the same thing, which is not the case. Further, the authors proposition that a "Good notion of empowerment should measure whether we can achieve some particular states, once we set out to do so." seems to very much coincide with the true definition of empowerment by Salge et all. Hence, it would be relevant to compare the author's "multiple value function" optimization objective to that of empowerment. The authors also propose a new environment, which seems to be very useful, thoughtful and could be a nice starting point for some experiments.
Ben Smith
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February 24, 2024
October 2, 2023
It's possible this is a novel topic, but there isn't a clear finding, and it's quite speculative. So there's not much novel here beyond an idea. It is a very interesting idea, and I give the entry points for that. I thought "attainable utility preservation" had already got a lot further in talking about how you can quantify the different goals that might be achieved from a starting point, taking into account the value of each goal with a diversity of possible goals.
Vincent
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February 24, 2024
September 15, 2023
the order of choices is interesting and I just saw a paper about that comes out recently (https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.11483?)
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
This is a wonderful mechanistic explanation of a phenomenon discovered through interpreting the learning curves of a simple algorithmic task. Of course, it would have benefitted from experimental data but it is conceptually so strong that you probably expect it to work. Future work should already take into account how we might want to generalize this to larger models and why it's useful for AI safety. E.g. I would be interested if this is expanded stepwise into more and more complex tasks, e.g. adding multiplication, then division, then sequence of operations, and so on for us to generalize into larger models some of these toy tasks. Good work!
Ben Smith
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February 24, 2024
October 2, 2023
I thought "attainable utility preservation" had already got a lot further in talking about how you can quantify the different goals that might be achieved from a a starting point, taking into account the value of each goal with a diversity of possible goals. It's possible this is a novel topic, but there isn't a clear finding, and it's quite speculative. So there's not much novel here beyond an idea. Still, it's an interesting idea, and worthwhile to start a Gymnasium environment for testing the idea. So I give authors some points for all that.
Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
Interesting and orginal submission, quite different than the others. Good example of learning to "Think like a Transformer". I would encourage the author to perform some experiments (or work together with someone with more experience) to see if they can confirm or falsify their hypotheses!
Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
The project is really well motivated: Finding ways to auto-generate higher-quality model evaluations is extremely valuable. I like how this project makes good use of an existing technique (Evol-Instruct) and evaluates its potential for model-written evaluations. I also like a lot the authors' frankness about the negative finding. I would like to encourage the authors to dive more into (a) how reliable the scoring method for the model-written generations is and (b) what kind of evolutions are induced by Evol-Instruct to figure out the bottlenecks of this idea. I agree with them (in their conclusion) that this idea has potential even though the initial results were negative.
Jacob P
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
Cool idea for improving evals! I'd try pairing high-quality evaluations with low-quality perhaps by getting the model to worsen high-quality ones, that would probably work better as a few-shot prompt. If you continue work on this, I'd spend some time thinking about how best to de-risk this. Is there some scenario where we know LMs can improve things?
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
It's too bad that it didn't show improved performance but the idea is quite good and utilizing existing automated improvement methods on evals datasets seems like a good project to take on. With more work, it might also become very impactful for research and I implore you to continue the work if you find potential for yourselves! Good job. See also [evalugator](https://github.com/LRudL/evalugator) for more LLM-generated evals work (by Rudolf).
Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
I believe the goal of this project is interesting, and is an interesting avenue to explore further. Unfortunately, results from early experiments didn't work out, preventing a deeper investigation of this approach.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
January 11, 2024
This is excellently done and a professional overview of the full EU AI Act. It's impressive to include a full summary of so much content in so few pages. Case 1 might have been slightly too unclear since this is not what was meant, however, it is a very good example of Case 3 work; summarizing the EU AI Act. I evaluated this under Case 3: Explainers of AI concepts since it is a concise explainer for the full EU AI Act. One way to improve it would be to add references to direct parts of the act as you explain parts. I like the quote format and the titles that reference concepts directly.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
I love good regularization techniques. Similar work includes Neuron to Graph (Foote et al., 2023) and work by Michelle Lo on reconstructing what neurons activate to. It seems this technique quite easily generates bogus sentences that, yes, we can see what exactly activates the neuron, but it's not suuper useful for understanding the features it affects the output for. But this seems like a really good first step into what might more accurately than (especially) the OpenAI work explain what MLP neurons do. Future work might also include reformulating it into a functional activation model like in the OAI work and Foote et al., 2023. Good work!
Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
February 14, 2024
Lovely project! I love the connections made to the existing literature on dark patterns. The proposed focus on mismatch between developer and user incentives in the context of AI applications seems like an extremely valuable and timely addition to the existing literature on misalignment, with a lot of potential for connecting AI ethics and AI safety. Also really like the approach to empirical evaluation taken here, which seems to hold a lot of potential. Going forward, I would want to see a more in-depth investigation of the conversations flagged for dark patterns and I would expect a few rounds of iteration to be necessary for robust results here. In terms of the write-up I'm missing tentative high-level conclusions on the level of dark pattern usage, its trend over time, and proposals for a natural baseline to compare against. Very minor write-up grievance: It wasn't clear to me which model was used as overseer.
Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
August 21, 2023
Cool idea and execution! For the causal influence dataset, I would have loved to see more of the dataset samples. Seeing that even GPT-4 still benefits from being told it's a chatbot was really interesting and surprising. For the train/deploy distinction dataset, I really liked the idea of how the dataset is constructed. The analysis could be a bit more detailed though: E.g., having confusion matrices would convey a lot more info than raw accuracies. Very cool project overall!
Christian Schroeder de Witt
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February 24, 2024
February 14, 2024
I love the idea of this project. In addition to what Jason has remarked, I think a major opportunity would lie in developing tools that can protect users from such dark patterns. For example, a local trusted supervisor-chatbot that filters the interactions and warns the user if e.g. there is a risk of disclosing too much sensitive information.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
September 7, 2023
This is an interesting question to investigate and I'm excited by your progress within the 24 hours! Understanding what role the residual stream plays in memory transfer and how subspace "competition" works is important. I assume "subspace" in your project means information occupation within the residual stream. It seems that the bandwidth and subspace projects measurements are not included in the results. I like your plot showing the impact on model output and it would be interesting to see which sorts of features (qualitative description) these differences correlate with. E.g. I can imagine that some types of early-stage processing is lost and a feature just looking for the word "the" (or something less frequent) might be outcompeted in the residual stream by more complex processes. This might also indicate an inverse scaling phenomenon. Great job! PS: The video presentation is private.
Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 27, 2023
Overall impressions: - Interesting project, exploring the role of the residual stream is an interesting avenue. - I like the SHAP value plots! Suggestions for improvement: - It is not completely clear how the formulas for the subspace projection and bandwidth measurements are used in your experiments. The results section (that shows SHAP values) seems different from your planned methodology. - More information could be provided on the dataset, model architectures, training process, hyperparameters etc. This contextualizes the experimental conditions. - Also, more information could be provided in the result sections. Including metrics like training/validation accuracy, loss curves, performance on a test set etc. would strengthen it.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
September 7, 2023
This is a great project within the time allotted, well done! It's important for us to understand these types of dynamics and plotting it over layers provides a useful granularization. There's a question of what these results mean and why the IMDB dataset isn't as interpretable (I'd expect it to be related to the performance itself). Maybe you'd want to separate the PCA'd activations based on if the prediction was correct or not.
Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
Cool and original project! I think the reformulation of TCM as an induction head is very interesting, and the experiment show some interesting preliminary results. This work has great potential to publish as a paper with a bit more experiments, so I would definitely encourage you to work further on this,
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
This project is super interesting and a great case study in comparing Transformers to cognitive models of memory. I would love to be able to dive deeper into this project and read the three referenced papers. I'm not sure what to critique here but I'm also personally positively biased towards cognitive science and it's a great interdisciplinary work. The only thing is that there isn't much discussion of the safety implications, e.g. can we use this functional correlate to understand how human-like a Transformer's memory is? Good work and I recommend you take this further!
Geraldine Antle
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February 24, 2024
December 22, 2023
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Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 27, 2023
Strengths: - Interesting project! Understanding how language models process information is important. - I like the visualizations of the PCA dimensions. They clearly show the results, and on the toy dataset you clearly see the progress over the layers. Suggestions for improvement: - I would like to see a bit more background information on the experimental set-up. For example, what does the toy data set look like? What model do you use for classification? Did you split train and test set? - I would like to see a bit more discussion on the results. Why do you think the accuracy of the toy dataset is so much higher?
Erik Jenner
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February 24, 2024
September 26, 2023
Building agents that help other agents with unknown goals is an important problem and I like how this project just tries to tackle that problem in a straightforward way, with several experiments and techniques. The parts on dealing with underrepresented goals is also nice. Using PCA to detect unusual inputs is a cool (albeit not new) idea, and it seems to work (though with big error bars). The code also looks well-done and easy to work with at a glance. For the core setup of training a helper agent, it would probably be fruitful to explore connections to Cooperative IRL/Assistance games, and build on existing work in that direction (e.g. https://openreview.net/forum?id=DFIoGDZejIB). The biggest room for improvement in my view are the experiments. RL is really noisy, and to get meaningful results, several runs with different random seeds are essential (even if the curves look as different as in Fig. 4, it's hard to know whether the effect is real otherwise). I'm also confused why all the results have episode lengths of at least a few hundred. Looking at the environment, it seems like a good policy pair should get lengths of about 20, so unless I'm misunderstanding something, it seems the RL training didn't work well enough or wasn't run for long enough to give meaningful results.
Ben Smith
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February 24, 2024
October 2, 2023
Not much grounding in the literature I don't really understand how this is distinct from a single-agent problem where the goal is unknown except through reward. This problem arises because the helper has access to the leader's reward function! if it was doing inverse reinforcement learning or something I'd get it but that's not what's going no they've quoted "FMH21" which appear to be grounding their methods. so that perhaps suggests at least some novelty. Overall, an interesting paper and a good experiment, but it is unclear to me how this is distinct from a single agent with some hidden objectives it has to figure out. But I might be missing something.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
Great negative results for a hypothesized result of SoLU models. Interesting side result to see that the LN scale factor grows meaningfully differently conditional on the token sequence.
Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
August 22, 2023
Very readable and interesting results. One question I had: How do the results on post-hoc reasoning in CoT/L2M square with the results from http://arxiv.org/abs/2305.04388 which suggest that CoT explanations can be unfaithful?
Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
Interesting work! Well-designed experiments that don't find evidence for the smearing hypothesis. Would definitely encourage continuing this work, and see if the results replicate on models with more than one-layer!
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
This is a very interesting investigation into something that seems foundational in LLMs, this sort of sequence modeling structure that is shared between tasks. These are both quite informative results for AI functioning and probably replicate quite a bit to humans. Great in-depth experiments as well and good circuits experimental work. It was a lot to cover in a 10 minute video so no worries about being a bit rushed there. Excited that you want to continue working on this!
Bart
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
Impressive range of experiments and interesting discovery of the shared sequence heads. I would definitely encourage you to continue your work and see if you can get from digits to other sequences through latent space addition or similar techniques.
(author)
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February 24, 2024
July 17, 2023
(I'm the author and accidentally hit 'rate this project' but did not mean to rate it, so I am submitting 5 to balance out the 3 I gave back to the 4 stars given from someone else before)
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
January 11, 2024
This is an excellent way to use the capabilities of vignettes in a super strong way! I like how you emphasize a scenario that is otherwise looked over; one where all our alignment and risk mitigation work goes quite alright. The "What ifs" are very enjoyable as well and provide a perspective on what one might learn from the story beyond what the reader might think. The relation to contemporary sources is also very good. It is inherently a difficult thing to try to represent the systemic effects of AI technology in a concise manner but I think you succeeded!
Charlotte
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February 24, 2024
January 12, 2024
I very much like the story. If you have time for this, I would be interested in reading your AI goes well scenario, what would be the scenario in which all of your "what ifs" are fulfilled.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
Nice work, though I was missing some plots here. Since you say pure GPTs don't seem to work, it would be interesting to see the difference to fine-tuned models. Totally fine that you used Claude etc. but I'd love if you proofread your work. Interesting and would be nice to see the developments.
Charlotte
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February 24, 2024
January 12, 2024
I very much like the story. If you have time for this, I would be interested in reading your AI goes well scenario, what would be the scenario in which all of your "what ifs" are fulfilled.
Diana Cruz
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February 24, 2024
January 16, 2024
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Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
Good tooling for running benchmarks is extremely important, which makes the question raised in this report "How can we systematically evaluate ethical capabilities of LLMs across all available benchmark datasets?" really valuable. I like how the report raises the important research question of how and in which order ethical capabilities emerge across language models. To really address this question would require a larger study though with models of more sizes -- which is understandably impossible in the time of the hackathon. A really important point raised in the discussion is the question of where exactly the gap in the ecosystem is, given the availability of tools like EleutherAI's evaluation harness. I would encourage the authors to spend more time thinking about what these tools are lacking to become more widely used and more useful for AI safety research!
Jacob P
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
Preliminary results, but very good to see that ethics reasoning appears to be improving rapidly with scale! Comparing a pre/post RLHF model (e.g. llama vs llama 2 chat at different scales) would be great to get a sense of whether models can be successfully blocked from improving in MACHIAVELLI while still improving on ETHICS.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
January 11, 2024
It is very focused on the model cards, proposes a good structure for them and relates it *directly* to existing frameworks. This is a great submission! The appendix is very useful and shows the background work that went into it. One thing to add might be the framework of reporting, i.e. are all these answers fully public? And which should be public if not? What does the software system for reporting look like? I didn't know about China's setup, very interesting!
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 4, 2023
This is an impressive critique with great and concrete improvement points that consider the pros and cons and what sorts of edge cases we will have to implement solutions to. Of course, I am missing a bit of an empirical evaluation or that you yourselves implement these, though the "idea format" of this clearly enabled you to explore the ideas qualitatively during the weekend's work. Great job! I'd recommend you polish it as a blog post and post it since it seems to point out some critical components needed for future work on safety benchmarks. If you plan to make it into a paper, you're of course welcome to wait with posting. Really interesting work!
Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
January 11, 2024
Very cool idea! A few things that come to mind: How capable (and in which domains?) do models need to be to be subject to compulsory model cards? How would you deal with evolving state-of-the-art on the evaluations side? Would there be some kind of verification of the submitted information?
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
November 29, 2023
Great motivation for the study. Curriculum learning for ethical judgements might be a great area to investigate even further though it might be hard to get results, as you also see here. A question I have is whether this isn't already implemented in other evals harnesses, such as EleutherAI's that you mention? Otherwise, I definitely think there's the space for a review of existing ethical benchmarks and what is missing -- both in terms of their quality but also in terms of other benchmarks that would be good to develop.
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
October 5, 2023
This is a good example of agents affecting other agents' behavior, something we definitely are worried about. An untrustworthy triad AI system is an interesting playground to study this in. I might be missing more of a narrative from this project as it mostly explores experimental results in this constrained environment, avoiding generalization. Be curious to see more generalizable results, i.e. other names, topics, prompts as part of this. Great work!
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
October 5, 2023
AI deception is very interesting. A better version might have jailbreaks emerge as a result of rewards given during conversation, making some sort of in-context learning relevant. Really nice making it part of a realistic buyer-seller scenario. The prompts showcase the issue well, though they're guiding quite a bit. Really like the focus on jailbreaking as frontier multi-agent research.
Jason Hoelscher-Obermaier
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February 24, 2024
February 14, 2024
I like the proposed research question and scenario for empirical investigation a lot! Would be cool to see further work on this. Also, the introduction is very well written and puts the question nicely in the context of important general questions. While not necessarily a core of this proposed work, I'd also love to see the suggested connection to value misalignment resulting from fixed objectives in changing environments be made more explicit!
Kerry Bacon
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February 24, 2024
December 4, 2023
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Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
February 14, 2024
This project seems like a great idea! There's a lot of possibility in developing the project further (and potentially making it run). The code is unfortunately private and the figure is of course missing, so that is a bit unfortunate. The concept of ICN and the agent-based setup along with the MARL cleanup environment seems like a strong experimental paradigm, and I would be *very* excited about seeing further development on this! It might be interesting to check out law and economics-related literature for the next steps. It does look like you cite the most relevant work within MASec and it seems to be at the forefront of this type of multi-agent negotiation for cooperative reward distribution. Good job!
Esben Kran
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February 24, 2024
July 19, 2023
This is great work that takes a real problem in alignment, translates it into interpretability, and further translates that into a good toy model of the problem. This seems like a great first step towards investigating action planning and goal misgeneralization in language models further. There are questions of how this generalizes to LLMs trained on language and you seem poised to take that on. Good job!
Konrad Seifert
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February 24, 2024
September 30, 2023
I really like the idea of the paper, it gets at the core of the first-order desires vs volition problem. I also like combining "softer" science with computational modelling to help us think more clearly about difficult conceptual spaces. The paper is well-structured but could be better written (don't take writing advice from me though). Chess strikes me as an insufficiently complex domain. No long-term survival under deep uncertainty is involved. Nor do we see conflicts between first and second-order preferences. However, to target the reduction of blunders, this might be enough. And in more complex domains, optimization becomes difficult anyway, so reducing the negative end is a more concrete, feasible step. I don't think we needed a proof of concept for systems that enhance human agency, but making the point that diverse inputs strengthen long-term fitness seems like something people don't hear often enough. Not exactly novel, though. I also think that the dangerous psychological feedback loops driving homogenization are relatively clear in the literature. But having them properly formalized seems like a valuable contribution. Overall, this seems worth implementing and well possible to do so.
Erik Jenner
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February 24, 2024
September 26, 2023
This is a proposal for an ambitious project, with many details on execution. I'm pretty excited about understanding how recommender systems and similar feedback loops actually affect users, since this is a widely discussed topic that could use more empirical evidence. However, it's worth noting that the interaction mechanism in the proposed study is significantly different from the recsys setup: recommender systems optimize for an external objective, and the main concern is that they might manipulate users to further that objective, against the users original preferences. The proposed study is self-play between a human and a learned imitator—I'm not sure what exactly different possible results would tell us about the effects of recommender systems or similar systems. For what it's worth, I also don't share the intuition that this self-play would lead to a decline in playing strength, but that's a less important disagreement that could be settled by running the study. There might be reasons that the results of such a study would be interesting even if they don't apply directly to recommender systems. I think it's worth working out what different results to the project would tell us about some important question in more detail, especially given the effort that would be involved in actually running this project.
cg
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February 24, 2024
September 30, 2023
This paper did not adequately respond to the prompts of the hackathon. It describes the problem of agency at a very high level without proposing a solution or a novel re-framing of the issue.
